Thursday, January 31, 2008

Walk Like an Egyptian

I'm following the read your Bible in a year thing. However, I'm behind several days. Well, I was reading in the last chapter of Genesis when Jacob (Israel) died. It stood out to me that Joseph had Jacob embalmed according to Egyptian tradition. I found this very interesting. Egyptian history has always intrigued me. I don't think that I had ever noticed before that Joseph carried out the embalming for Jacob. Also, when Joseph died he too was embalmed. Not only does the Scripture talk about them being embalmed, it also tells us exactly where they were both buried! Fascinating! Have their bodies ever been found? I don't know but I would like to find out.

One thing that made me curious was if there is any spiritual significance to this. After all, the Jews were/are God's people and He wanted them to be separate from the those who worshiped idols. So, why, then, was it OK for Jacob and Joseph to follow Egyptian tradition in their death? Or was it OK? Hmmm... any one have a thought on this?

One reason that I am behind on my reading is b/c I get side tracked w/ things like this. I thoroughly enjoy history and I find myself looking at other resources to find out more historical details. For instance, I got side tracked trying to find out which pharoah was reigning during Joseph's stay. I haven't found out yet, but I hopefully I will.

Well, this might not be as interesting to you who took the time to read this, but oh well. What else can I talk about after midnight? After all, I did warn you that I'm a sleep talker.

PS I really wanted to add a photo of a mummy or something, but I haven't figured out how to download pics from the web.

15 comments:

Christy said...

I don't really know why I added 'labels', I guess 'cause Tony and Dean do and it looks impressive. ;)

Tony M said...

If you want, I can show you where to get the "label cloud" thing I have. Of course, I usually end up with so many different "one-post" labels that it's becoming useless... I think I need to change the minimum number of posts to allow a label into the cloud (but then it might not get indexed well enough in Google...).

Anyway, about the Egyptian thing... I don't know. Was mummification an Egyptian religious ritual, or something else? I can't remember. I never really enjoyed history much (I do now more than when I was in school, though). As far as the Pharaoh at the time, you might see if the info is in Darren's book (I don't recall for sure; it's been a while since I read any of it, and I never quite finished it, only the first 6 or so chapters that I edited for him). I think I still have an electronic copy of it... if you want, I can perhaps take a look sometime (when I'm not falling asleep).

Tony M said...

Oh, yeah... being so late (early, now) I forgot to mention: I'm caught up on the daily reading, not counting today, since it's after midnight and today is really tomorrow. Or something like that. But I'll be caught up after I get up, but in order to get up I have to first go to bed, so I'll be off to bed now... (can you tell I'm a bit tired at the moment?)

Tony M said...

I guess my last post fits well with the title of your blog, eh? Ok, then, goodnight for real this time... :)

Christy said...

I don't really have anything clever to say to your funny posts. Even though I went to bed around one something, it was still a couple more hours before I actually went to sleep. This is getting ridiculous! I might go see my herbalist today and sock her in the head, b/c nothing she told me to do is working! Just kidding of course. I would never sock her in the head, I'm just really, really, tired.

As for finding out who the pharoah was, sure, if you don't have anything better to do. I am going to get my Ussher's Annals of History back from Jon Slater. I would think it would be in there. And I do think that mummification was a religious ritual for the Egyptians. They were prepearing the body for the after world. I wanted to post a link to mummification but I don't know how to do that. Do you? Of course you do.

Tony M said...

I'll try to take a look at Darren's book. As far as posting a link, depends on whether you mean in the original post or in a comment. In the original blog post, you can highlight the text you want to be a link, press the "link" button in the blogger "new post" window (looks like a chain link with a globe under it), it'll pop up a window, and you put the URL (copy from your browser's address bar) in there.

If it's in a comment, then you put <a href="URL-goes-here">text of the link</a> - that should do the trick.

Tony M said...

And you can "preview" your comment before publishing it to make sure your link worked...

Dean Lusk said...

Just to be seen as the lone dissenter, I think I ought to suggest that while I'm definitely not a scholar on this, it wouldn't hurt to pull from some sources other than Ussher in this quest.

I love getting "sidelined" on things like this as I read the Scripture! I think we wind up learning much more about the culture and the "why" of certain situations, and this can actually wind up making those Scriptures even more clear than before.

Christy said...

I found this really neat and interesting site that discusses Joseph and his remains: text of the link -

Christy said...

Boy do I feel dumb! Evidently Joseph's tomb has been known about for years, and so has Jacob's tomb. According to a Jewish magazine site that I read, Joseph's tomb was ransacked by the Palestinian army back in 2000. If you wish to read about it just google "Joseph's Tomb". I'm hesitant to put a link here b/c of the heated controversy w/ the Middle East. I don't know why but I felt uneasy surfing some of the websites. I guess I'm paranoid, I don't know.
From now on I will try to do my investigating before I comment on things. Hopefully I'll save myself from future embarrassment.
As far as who the pharoah was, I'm still not clear but I've narrowed it down to the 12th dynasty or Middle Kingdom age of Egypt. There are varied views on the time period issue, so that's why I'm not clear myself. Plus, I'm no scholar.

Tony M said...

Heh... "text of the link"... heh-heh. Glad you figured it out, though! Congrats!

Here are some resources that try to indicate various "kings of Egypt" (Pharaohs):

- Tour Egypt Kings Page
- WikiPedia's List of Pharaohs

These fairly closely agree (that, of course, doesn't necessarily indicate accuracy). Darren's book has various periods - I only scanned it just now, but he has at least two distinct potentialities for the various Pharaoh's ruling periods, and they sandwich the ones listed above (i.e., one indicates earlier periods, one later periods). I forget his sources.

Anyway, just for fun, I did my own brief research; consider Exodus 1:8 - "Eventually, a new king came to power in Egypt who knew nothing about Joseph or what he had done." Those previous list of Egyptian rulers seem to show the Hyksos overtaking the rule of Egypt somewhere around 1800 BC (+/-, of course). Could this be the new power that didn't remember Joseph? This site seems to think so.

That last also has some dates for Joseph in Egypt, from which you might be able to cull the historical timeline as to the ruler of Egypt during the events you have mentioned. Then again, this site has some differing ideas (don't know the source - didn't bother to look).

Anyway, I guess the short answer is: I don't know for sure. Here are some of the pages I viewed when doing my research, which might (or might not) be a starting (or continuing) point for your own research:

- http://www.touregypt.net/kings.htm
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pharaohs
- http://www.artsales.com/ARTistory/ark_covenant/timeline.html
- http://www.american.edu/dgolash/timeline.htm
- http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/referenc/wrldtime.htm
- http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch04.htm
- http://www.bible-history.com/rome/RomeTimeline__Biblical_History.htm
- http://www.understandingthebible.org/Bible_Time-line.htm

Anyway, hopefully (maybe) that'll help. If not, sorry to be so useless... :)

Christy said...

Thanks, Tony. That's a lot of sites you got there. Some of them I had already seen, but many I had not. :)

So why did my link say "text of the link"? You seemed to have found that funny.

Dean Lusk said...

For me, "Anything of the Anything" sounds pretty ominously historical, so I thought that wording was great!

Book of the Dead
Lord of the Rings
Tome of the Hermit of Isoscthenes (made this one up)
Text of the Link

See? It all really works with this post! :)

Tony M said...

"Text of the link" - I meant that's where you put the words that someone sees and can click on. For instance, if I want to put a link to my blog, I might put something like this is the most interesting thing you'll see all day!

The way that looks, by the way, is this:

<i><a href="http://lapsebraindead.blogspot.com/">this is the most interesting thing you'll see all day!</a></i>

You'll notice I replaced "text of the link" with something that means something (the "i" in angle brackets makes it italic; if I changed it to "b" it would be bold). But I may have to have my own "text of the link" story or post very soon... like Dean said, sounds pretty cool!

Tony M said...

Funny... I managed to run across a blog with a title nearly identical to this one! The subject is slightly different... but I enjoyed the refreshing summarization, and even more the displayed enthusiasm for God's word! I realized my own reading is more methodical, less energetic. I think I'll attempt to approach my "daily reading" tomorrow with a different attitude!